Jimcmahan
Registered: 08/18/08
Posts: 31
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Reply with quote | #31 |
There is A LOT of information in this decision, which is why I'm trying to get the PDF posted. I'm sure when the people read it they will be able to interpret Mr. Morris' message themselves. Yes, it's true when the tribal council "split" they both conducted elections. Even though the BIA suggested the two sides work together to conduct another general election, it didn't happen. I'm not sure, by looking at Joe's track record of "making up the rules as he goes along," if a repair in the fracture of the council would have even been possible. Which would have been worse? Leave Ed, Ginger, and Lyle, who were the DULY ELECTED tribal council members or remove them and let Joe run crazy from that point on trying to tear the tribe apart, which he has certainly done. If Ed, Ginger, and Lyle needed to be removed, do it PROPERLY, not with ELEVEN people trying to run them out. Even if it had been done accordingly, Joe would still have seated who he wanted on the council and we would be exactly where we are now. In this "game" we are forced to choose sides. I chose sides last year when my rights as a tribal member were ignored and continued to be ignored. Most of have chosen sides, as I'm sure the results of the Las Vegas meeting have shown. Ed, Ginger and Lyle were at that meeting and no matter what they have been accused of, they have chosen to stand with the majority of their people during this oppression. They are helping to fight Joe when they could sit at the house and say, "I don't care. The tribe didn't want us and we simply don't care anymore." Instead they accepted what the tribe wanted in Las Vegas and STILL try and do what they can to fight these legal battles. In fact, many people who I've had disagreements with, those who have been accused of being poor leaders, those who have been indifferent in the past and those who have been the model members have aligned with George. They have taken a stand and CHOSEN SIDES. I think this includes the majority of the tribe. It's not about who wronged who, right now it's about fighting for the preservation of this tribe. Please understand that I'm not working on the newsletter, nor am I working for a newspaper. So, when I come on this website, I, like everyone else who posts here, am posting my OPINIONS. I hope everyone knows what side I'm on...the side of the tribe. I'm sure Joe has shown what side he's on and that's GREED and IGNORANCE.
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MelvinHolt
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 411
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Reply with quote | #32 |
"looking at Joe's track record"?
Don't ignore that of Ed and Ginger's! And standing with the majority against Joe? They had no choice. You think they want to continue taking on Joe by themselves? Lets keep all this in perspective if we're to see things as they "really" are (True Hearts); At one point, Grish and Joe called a meeting with Ed Beaman, Ginger Beck, and Lyle in Vegas to try and do just that...repair the relationship, but Ed Beaman and crew walked out on Joe and Grish. They refused to recognize Joe as the Chairman and refused to talk changes. They wanted unconditional ties. That came from Grish. George is popular with the majority of the tribe right now because he appears to be the one to "save it". Not Ed and Ginger and they know that so they're hugging George real tight and you talk with excessive pride of Beaman and crew's achievement or levels of involvement. This tribe is a mess and it only got worse when Joe, Beaman, Beck and Casey were the Council. Now, they've splintered and chosen sides based on whose bigger.
If George and the elected members of his council come out as the recognized representatives by the BIA then mission accomplished, but the Beaman council needs to step away and let George get to work when that happens. They've had their chance and blew it. Now, I realize there are those devoted and loyal followers that believe Beaman and Beck are needed assets because they've learned from Trial and "Error", therefore making them more qualified than anyone to be part of the new administrations "Think Tank".
Just my opinion.
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gholsong
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Registered: 05/07/05
Posts: 251
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Reply with quote | #33 |
Even though Ed, Ginger and Lyle have been recognized I am still the one in the office steering the ship. I have to let everyone know that I have had full support from Ed, Ginger, and Lyle through this entire mess. They have gone out of their way to respect the General Councils wishes. They have not tried to do anything that would not help us accomplish our goals. I am not sucking up to them but the records will show that they are helping.
I agree there has been big mistakes made in the past. I hope with the things being done now that we can put a stop to those things. I will let you know that we are not going to go in to confidential mode. I am a firm believer that the general council has the right to know everything good, bad or ugly.
The dis-enrollment is not being recognized by the BIA. The last decision lists Ed. Ginger, and Lyle as the members of the tribal council along with Joe, and Madeline. The enrollment committee must present their findings on enrollment to the Tribal Council for approval on enrollment and dis-enrollment. This has never happened. It was presented to members that have not been recognized by anyone. There a few members out there that are trying to say they have dis enrolled people this is pure fiction. The BIA has supported the constitution and I feel that they will continue to do so. That means that there has not been any dis-enrollment. I wouldn't not want to be the one that signs the checks if they are not sent out to everyone! Just to let the members know that have received dis-enrollment letters your records are not with the other enrollment records. I would guess that if they are not here they are at a personal residence. We have been advised that this is a violation of the privacy act. We will be contacting the Attorney General and Department of Justice on this matter.
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virgilmerchant
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 182
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Reply with quote | #34 |
Joe Kennedy - Chairman
Ed Beaman - Vice Chairman
Madeline Esteves - Secretary/Treasurer
Lyle Casey - Executive Member
Ginger Beck - Executive Member
If the BIA thinks that these people are our Tribal Council, then Why cant the 4 names below Joe have him removed? Why cant the 4 people tell the BIA, that George is the new leader for us? Maybe the 4 people should all go to the BIA and camp out on their door, until this is resolved. Maybe the 4 people should get on a buss with 78 members and go to DV and Fish Lake and personally remove Joe. Joe put a lot of stock in BIA. Bully Indians Around. I think he is worse then any BIA. when it comes to Bulling Indians around, when he takes money from Indians that really need the moneys. He has caused more heart aches to our elders then any BIA person. Joe and Erick if you steal our money, you better give your soles to God, because the rest of you will be sent to Hell!............
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timbisha55
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 141
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Reply with quote | #35 |
The BIA won't recognize any changes to the gov't (and I use that term loosely) while under appeal ? Thanks to the BIA and all it's flip flopping we don't have a gov't right now.
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gholsong
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Registered: 05/07/05
Posts: 251
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Reply with quote | #36 |
If Ed, Lyle and Ginger remove Joe or even change his position from chairman and then the BIA recognizes that action it is a decision. The decision can be appealed. This would ad to the already complicated problems that we already have. We expect something either this week or next. The BIA indicated to the court that there was going to be a decision in the first week of march.
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virgilmerchant
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 182
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Reply with quote | #37 |
I just read the newsletter that Joe puts out. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP Joe feeds his people,,, YOU STUPID PEOPLE! Joe is taking you for a ride and you are to DUMB to see it. You deserve everything you get, and that will be NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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timbisha55
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 141
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Reply with quote | #38 |
What makes you think anyone believes one word that comes out of Joe's mouth..written or spoken ???
Joe is still out running around the country attending useless conferences on the tribes dime.
I think four years of nothing speaks for itself.
I'm waiting to see how much is STOLEN from the rstf this time around.
100% means 100%
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virgilmerchant
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 182
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Reply with quote | #39 |
 Glenn Marshall, the former chairman of the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe of Massachusetts, was sentenced to 41 months.
Marshall argued for a sentence of less than a year, saying he was victimized and pressured by others. But federal prosecutors called his case one of greed. Marshall ended up apologizing to his tribe for making illegal campaign contributions, stealing tribal funds, filing false tax returns and fraudulently receiving Social Security benefits. He was ordered to pay $383,000 to the tribe and $85,000 to the Social Security Administration. hummmm can we sat Joe? |
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